Hey, Mark Driscoll, Let's Fight
By Damon Agnos in Religion
Sunday, Jan. 11 2009 @ 3:08PM
Mark Driscoll, head pastor of local megachurch chain Mars Hill, is profiled in this week's New York Times Magazine. It's not the first time he's been profiled in a (secular) national outlet (Salon did an excellent profile of him and Mars Hill in 2006), and he gives his usual array of very thinly veiled anti-woman and anti-gay statements. Mark Driscoll's Jesus is a shitkicker who washes his hands with the blood of infidels and never has to tell his woman twice.
If you think that's an exaggeration, check out quotes like this: "Some emergent types [want] to recast Jesus as a limp-wrist hippie in a dress with a lot of product in His hair, who drank decaf and made pithy Zen statements about life while shopping for the perfect pair of shoes. In Revelation, Jesus is a pride fighter with a tattoo down His leg, a sword in His hand and the commitment to make someone bleed. That is a guy I can worship." I wonder if that's what Barack Obama meant when he said "we worship an awesome god in the blue states." (Also check out this spoof of Driscoll by Christian humor site The Wittenburg Door, which fooled me until commenter dave set me straight.)
A primary focus of the NY Times piece is Driscoll's Calvinism, something that hasn't received a lot of press previously. Driscoll's a believer in predestination, meaning that God decides before you're born whether you're going to heaven or hell, and that no number of good deeds you perform can change that. Of course, if one can be predestined for salvation or damnation, one can probably be predestined for epic douchebaggery as well.
Says Driscoll, "I can't worship a guy I can beat up." So here's an idea. I'm pretty soft. But I do think I could kick Mark Driscoll's ass. So, Mark, how's this: let's fight. If you win, I'll worship your Jesus, at least for a Sunday. If I win, you have to worship me. .
10 comment(s)
mike says:
Driscoll is a classic closet case.
Posted On: Sunday, Jan. 11 2009 @ 3:50PM
nickpc says:
i love it....i hope he takes you up on that....how would be worship you?...if you lose you should have to worship him
Posted On: Sunday, Jan. 11 2009 @ 4:09PM
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Posted On: Sunday, Jan. 11 2009 @ 6:42PM
dave says:
Um. That article about Driscoll asking people to punch him was a spoof. The Wittenburg Door is kind of like a Christian version of The Onion. But it's funny because it could almost be true.
Posted On: Sunday, Jan. 11 2009 @ 7:58PM
Damon says:
Thanks, dave. Credulous me--I bought it.
Posted On: Sunday, Jan. 11 2009 @ 8:19PM
XYZ says:
When a person believes that gay is genetically programmed (predestined) and that child molesters are hardwired (no cure, no forgiveness)
And believes that man is a descended from apes, is a natural animal ruled by the law of the jungle..helpless as a dog against his animal nature and his genes..
Then that person makes a statement.."how could anyone believe in "original sin" or predestination"
Well..get a clue..that "who" is you..a true believer in man's debased nature and "genetic predestination."
I don't know about Marc Driscoll but..it may be that Marc Driscoll and other Calvinist believe that through the Grace and Will of God, man can transcend his destiny and his nature..and be forgiven..find and salvation redemption..Yes, even child molesters can repent and be forgiven..but who among you believes that?
Posted On: Thursday, Jan. 15 2009 @ 2:59PM
stephy says:
Some people just might be predestined for epic douchebaggery. AWESOME.
Posted On: Monday, Sep. 14 2009 @ 9:52PM
joseph says:
You know, if you would spend as much time listening to what the man says in context, as you do picking bits and pieces out and turning his words against him, you may find there is nothing to attack. You may even like the fact that Mark has the guts to speak his mind, and not cower to public opinion, and political correctness.
Posted On: Monday, Sep. 28 2009 @ 12:12AM
Aner says:
"Mark has the guts to speak his mind, and not cower to public opinion, and political correctness."
Joseph,
Having hung out at MH for a couple years or so - I can assure you there is a difference between "speaking one's mind" and being an "arrogant dick". While Mark may not always fulfill the latter - he managed to make his way accross that finish line on a pretty regular basis...
BTW - his Bible study is pretty mediocre actually - primarily just traditions wrapped up in some ripped jeans.... how cool is that??
BTW - I have just spoken my mind - do you have a problem with that??
Best,
Aner
Posted On: Thursday, Dec. 3 2009 @ 2:35PM
rey says:
"I can't worship a guy I can beat up."
Or in other words, "I can't worship a guy I could nail to a cross." Calvinists are anti-Christian Satan worshipers, pure and simple. And anyone offended by me saying that is one of them.
Posted On: Sunday, Jan. 24 2010 @ 2:00PM