sherpaco says:

wow, I guess old habits are hard to break.

Posted On: Wednesday, Apr. 15 2009 @ 2:51PM

DJ B-MELLO says:

Glad I didn't get shot when Fatal was performing at Contour last Monday.

Posted On: Wednesday, Apr. 15 2009 @ 2:54PM

Jonathan C says:

The thing is, Fatal performs at venues all the time and nothing crazy happens. He's not a bad dude. I think The Crocodile is just trying to stop a "potential" problem from happening and are in safe mode since they just re-opened.

Posted On: Wednesday, Apr. 15 2009 @ 3:16PM

Mark Baumgarten says:

I don't agree with Cunningham's dismissal of this as an important issue to be discussed.

If Fatal is seen as a risk in Seattle clubs--which, judging by his lack of appearances in Seattle's rock clubs, he seems to be--there is plenty of room to talk about the validity of such a move. And whether or not this is a black and white issue (no pun intended). It's much better to discuss it then to let a potential blacklisting of a musician fester within the community. That will only lead to a more fractured and suspicious music community.

Is he an insurance risk? Do employees refuse to work if he plays? If more security needs to be hired for one of his shows, could the club just jack the ticket price? Is there a way to get Fatal on stage in Seattle's rock clubs, or is it simply a lost cause? These are all questions that should be asked.

Come on, man. You're the music editor of a major weekly in Seattle. We expect you to engender conversation, not discourage it.

And I'm not sure if I would say that Fatal performing the night of the Chop Suey shooting constitutes a "connection" to the shooting, any more than the bartender might be connected to it.

Also, if anyone wants to know more about Fatal, please check out the article that ran in the mag pictured with this post:

http://openpub.realread.com/rrserver/browser?title=/MIP/SS2-09-1024&page=57

Posted On: Wednesday, Apr. 15 2009 @ 3:24PM

Jonathan C says:

Hold on Mark,
the only reason I posted this is because I think people SHOULD talk about it. And, of course, I chose the photo of Fatal Lucciauno on the cover of Sound as a partial shoutout to that magazine. It was definitely intentional.

But yes, this is worth talking about. That's why I'm in my own comments section twice adding my opinion after somebody says something.
How is that discouraging conversation?

But let's not get off topic here. What's unfortunate is that, like most people coming out of the prison system, his ability to work is now limited. And that's disheartening. But I understand both sides.

Posted On: Wednesday, Apr. 15 2009 @ 3:49PM

Greg says:

I think it sucks they kicked Fatal off this bill. Dude is trying to get his life together and then shit like this happens and it's like, Fatal already served his time in prison...let him move on.

Posted On: Thursday, Apr. 16 2009 @ 6:49AM

ndrwmtsn says:

this is fucked up. baumgarten, you are wild with those comments. fatal had nothing to do with the chop shooting, from what i know. this smells like some ignorant decision-making.

Posted On: Thursday, Apr. 16 2009 @ 10:19AM

^czar says:

But, aren't Spaceman and D.Black affiliated with the EXACT SAME PEOPLE?

There are alot of artists in town with gang ties and brushes with the law... do we need to start running background checks prior to booking shows?

What does this accomplish? This isn't how you stop the violence.

BOOOO to the Crocodile. Get a fucking clue.

Posted On: Thursday, Apr. 16 2009 @ 10:20AM

big shnozz says:

croc of shit

Posted On: Thursday, Apr. 16 2009 @ 11:12AM

gnar says:

this is bullshit. if there was a concern why did they book him? why kick him off a week before with no explananation? why doesn't get that same basic level of respect and professionalism. they wouldn't have done that to a white rock band.

people at the croc said that fatal DID have something to do with the chop suey shooting (isn't that slander?), and now they deny it. if we find out who the other promoters are who told them that bullshit, we should say fuck them too.

Posted On: Thursday, Apr. 16 2009 @ 11:53AM

LFM NW DIVISION says:

what is the purpose of tearing down the identity of one our bright talents....to be honest this sounds like a attempt to dismantle the jump-start of a powerful career...the very things im afraid to say...he says boldly...despite the fact i know him...he's the reason you have an idea of what goes on in the hood where im from..fuck anyone who dont wanna see him prevail... i need him to.

Posted On: Thursday, Apr. 16 2009 @ 12:56PM

Calm Down says:

So far it doesn't sound like anyone on this board has any first hand knowledge of how or why the decision to take Fatal off the bill was made. Yet you are jumping to many conclusions and talking some pretty big shit.

Some obvious facts: The Croc isn't banning Fatal from the venue. The Croc isn't banning hip hop (they are doing the Dyme Def show, Lady Sovereign, and Blue Scholars have performed). Fatal has been arrested for shooting off a gun in public. Fatal recently performed on bill where there was a shooting where one person died. (Died!). Recently, a promoter was murdered outside another venue near the Croc. Fatal is also chosen what seems like an unfortunate moniker that on the surface at least seems to glorify gang life and thuggery.

From what I've heard, Croc management was concerned about Fatal in light of the above. They became more concerned after they were told Fatal had recently been bragging about being an active gang member and how he'd just been released from prison. The club set up a meeting with the promoter of the show to discuss these concerns. The promoter didn't show, so the club made the decision to take Fatal off the bill.

Some other facts: Fatal is considered by many in the local hip hop scene as one of if not the best local MC. He had nothing to do with what happened at the Chop Suey shooting. He has performed many times since he Chop Suey show where 3 people were shot without incidence.

But, the Croc is a business, and has a responsibility to put on good shows that are safe and will make money. If they put on shows where there is some bullshit like what happened at Chop Suey it would severely negatively effect their business. The management of the business has a responsibility to act prudently when making decisions about who performs at the venue. It definitely seems that in this case they tried to make the right decision, and with the info they had they acted wisely, even if not completely in the right. If the promoter didn't flake on the meeting it sounds like this could have been taken care of. Bummer for everyone that didn't happen. Also, another not very good look as that sort of flaking reinforces the idea that folks involved in hip hop are flaky and irresponsible.

Seems to me that the people being smart here are the venue for dealing with this as wisely as they could with what was in front of them, and doing so privately, and Fatal and his manager for doing the same. I bet they sort it out and you see Fatal on a bill at the Croc soon.

The best thing that could happen is for the Dyme Def show to be packed, and to go off without incidence. If that happens I'm sure we'll see a ton more local hip hop at the Croc. If people don't show up, or people keep slamming the venue, or tag it, fuck with it, etc, we'll probably see the Croc stay away from local hip hop and this would be a sad thing. We should all go support this show.

Posted On: Thursday, Apr. 16 2009 @ 1:16PM

the klobb says:

The truth will come to light. the croc is going to feel even stupider soon enough so maybe they should just nut up and come clean.

The croc mgmt knows damn well they didn't hear about fatal bragging about shit, because thats not what dude is about in the least! more ignorant shit. that's the SECOND lie they're willing to tell about fatal to justify their bullshit. BOOOO.

They also want to throw the promoter under the bus to avoid blame. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Cut the bullshit.

Have you followed the police investigation around the murder you care about so much that happened at Chop Suey? it had nothing to do with fatal. But because of his NAME the croc is going CLASSIC SEATTLE. that same old cool-to-your face shit.

Look, local hip-hop artists and fans have every right to be upset about this since The Showbox did THE SAME EXACT THING recently.

LOVE 2 DYMEDEF. FUCK THE CROC.

Posted On: Thursday, Apr. 16 2009 @ 4:27PM

the klobb says:

"The best thing that could happen is for the Dyme Def show to be packed, and to go off without incidence. If that happens I'm sure we'll see a ton more local hip hop at the Croc. If people don't show up, or people keep slamming the venue, or tag it, fuck with it, etc, we'll probably see the Croc stay away from local hip hop and this would be a sad thing."

(pat on head)
"Boy, you show us your people don't come and mess up our nice place and we'll let you come back, hear?"

Posted On: Thursday, Apr. 16 2009 @ 4:31PM

Soul Gorilla says:

to the above poster "Calm Down"

we appreciate your support for the show, we hope its a great turn out and that we can show the true talent that these artists have to offer.

but please refrain from saying you know all the facts.. it was NEVER explained to us ONCE that we were supposed to have a meeting regarding Fatal. We thought we were meeting up to talk about a projector or sound equipment etc.. but in the midst of releasing a new record, finalizing our west coast tour bookings, promoting this show, finishing our new music video, promoting several other shows (at Showbox, Chapel, etc), and all the duties that go with doing these things... we DID forget to show up for a meeting of which we did not know the significance, and for that we apologize.. its a misunderstanding and we hope Fatal plays the Croc asap.

Posted On: Thursday, Apr. 16 2009 @ 6:10PM

kerri harrop says:

Below is the statement we posted earlier today on 206Proof.

Please note that we have no ill will toward anyone in this matter -- the promoter, the artist, the label, the entire city of Seattle. It is an unfortunate misunderstanding, that has been blown out of proportion, and we hope the words below will help remedy some of that.
::::

There has been a lot of chatter over the past 24 hours regarding next week’s Dyme Def record release party next Saturday, April 25, here at the Crocodile, and I’d like to take a moment to address some of the things being said.

First and foremost, please understand that the decision to remove local artist Fatal Lucciauno from the bill was one that was not made in haste, nor was it a decision that Crocodile booking agent Eli Anderson took lightly. Eli carefully weighed a lot of factors, which included advice and information from peers and colleagues in the business, before requesting a meeting with Soul Gorilla promoter Josh Doe to discuss the matter.

Unfortunately, that meeting never materialized.

The Crocodile is not judging Fatal Lucciauno for his past mistakes, and we certainly understand that history can be a difficult thing to overcome. It is regrettable that the decision to drop him from the bill had to be made when, really, a candid conversation could have probably cleared the whole thing up.

In no way is the Crocodile implying or stating that Fatal Lucciauno was involved with the tragic shooting at Chop Suey. Any statement to the contrary is false and misleading.

Today marks the one-month anniversary of business at the revitalized Crocodile, and the room has already played host to a wide variety of music and artists. We are doing our very best to provide excellent entertainment, a safe and welcoming venue, and a great experience for showgoers and artists alike.

As residents of Belltown, it is our responsibility to be good neighbors in what is oftentimes a volatile part of downtown. We take this seriously, and always will.

We’re looking forward to the Dyme Def show and regret that we won’t see Fatal Lucciauno perform that night, but if he's in the house we'd love to say hi and buy him a drink. We really like The Only Forgotten Son, and respect his story.

We very much appreciate the candid conversation we had yesterday with DeVon Manier, co-owner of Sportn’ Life Records, and the open dialog that has followed the decision to remove Fatal Lucciauno from the bill.

The Crocodile is a live music venue, open to all genres. Fatal Lucciauno is not banned from playing the venue. There is no ban on hip hop at the Crocodile, nor is there any reason for anyone to assume such a preposterous notion. We hope this clears up any questions you may have but, if not, feel free to contact me and I’ll do my best to sort it out.

Thanks much.

Kerri Harrop
PR | Marketing | Special Events
The Crocodile
kerri@thecrocodile.com

Posted On: Thursday, Apr. 16 2009 @ 8:53PM

DMXXX says:

I want to start a petition to ban the following artists from the Crocodile. With names like these there's sure to be trouble:

Dimmak (the touch of DEATH???)
Murder Dice (MURDER???)
Criminal Nation (they're criminals!!)
TSK (Knights = war)
Fierce Villain (sounds scary)
JFK (could inspire assassination)
Nightclubber Lang (his name IS club violence!!)
Skuntdunanna (I have no idea what this means...but, it sounds bad)

Posted On: Friday, Apr. 17 2009 @ 10:19AM

concerned vet says:

I have seen Fatal rock chop suey, nectar, high dive, vera, contour, the sunset, and neumos and showbox sodo. I have never seen any sort of problem from him or his camp-sportn life records. this whole thing is a CROC of shit!

Posted On: Saturday, Apr. 18 2009 @ 10:55AM

insult2intelligence says:

The Crocodile taking credit for everything filthy about that night = currently blowing the mind of hella fools in town. They (and by they I mean Carrie Harrop) are acting like they did Fatal and EVERYBODY a huge favor by kicking him off the bill, blaming him and the promoter, and putting that cloud over it- like that made the night even more magical. "Oh this note made me so happy! Gee whiz!" WHAT KINDA GEORGE W BUSH ASS SHIT IS THAT. You think niggas is that stupid?

It was already one of the best possible lineups you could put together in the 206 til Y'ALL fucked it up. NOW you on Fatal's dick. Y'all ain't slick. Seattle hip hop sees what you did there. FAKE ASS MOTHAFUCKAS.

LONG LIVE FATAL LUCCIAUNO THE GREAT

Posted On: Tuesday, Apr. 28 2009 @ 4:47PM