My Story: Getting to LA, Getting Guns, and Getting Gigs
A couple of months back, I wrote that I was going to test little bits and pieces of a potential book I may write. If I do enough of these tests, who knows? I may just have the start of a larger work. To make things coherent and in context, I will present things here in a broader sense. Think of it as an outline. Here goes another installment.
The author, far left, with Guns N' Roses. Duff McKagan's column runs every Thursday on Reverb. Every Monday Duff writes about what's on his iPod.
The memories I have of the mid-to-late-'80s Hollywood rock scene do not necessarily include bands that may pop into one's mind. My band, Guns N' Roses, and the close network of friends that we kept, were a ragtag bunch of outcasts that remained rather insulated and kept to ourselves during this period. We had little in common with the popular L.A. bands then. Though parts of this story may seem a bit dark, this period of my life was one of the funnest and most profound. It also contained many strong elements of a young man's rite of passage, including a loss of innocence in many respects and facing mortality as a result of losing close friends to overdoses. Maybe not the usual rites of passage, but at the time these life hurdles seemed normal.
I packed my bags and cut my ties with my hometown of Seattle in September 1984. The idea of driving to New York in my beat-up 1971 Ford Maverick became moot as soon as I realized that, on a budget of $360, the East Coast was just too far away. I decided Los Angeles was a safer place for me than the heroin-infested punk scene of the Pacific Northwest. I was badly mistaken.
There was really no discernible rock scene there in the fall of '84--only the palpable hangover of a once-thriving punk movement, mixed with "cow-punk" and really bad heavy metal (Metallica had just moved back to S.F.). I met Slash and Steven Adler shortly after my move, through a "musicians wanted" ad I saw in a newspaper. Izzy Stradlin moved into an apartment across the street from me. (We lived on one of the most drug-infested lanes in Hollywood, visited nightly by dealers, hookers, and cops. Stories of this street alone would make a GREAT book.) Axl, a childhood friend of Izzy's, soon moved in around the corner in our cheap-rent neighborhood. We formed our band shortly thereafter, a happy bunch of malcontents!
My new musical comrades and I shared an uncanny similarity in the "fuck-everyone-except-us" approach to writing, playing, and living our music. We sought to do this thing on our own terms and in our own way. This was simply a way of life. At that point in life, you've just got nothing to lose . . . a relatable point to anyone reading, I am sure.
The first gigs we got back then were with bands like Social Distortion, Tex and the Horseheads, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers. The "glam" scene across town seemed to be a private club that had some mysterious secret handshake. The Troubadour was always packed on weekends. At the time, I think that we were thought of as a little too dirty to get an opening slot on those most-coveted Friday and Saturday night bills. We would have to get there on our own.
Our social circle soon included a group of recently transplanted New Yorkers who moved out West to--I always suspected--escape legal problems. "Red" Ed, Petey, and Del melded nicely into our lifestyle, which included 24-hour alcohol consumption, scoring any available drugs, sundry debauchery, and plenty of Rolling Stones, Motorhead, Sly and the Family Stone, and Rose Tattoo (Sly lived in the apartment right above me, as it turned out, but that's another story). West Arkeen was another co-conspirator who became valuable not only for his friendship but for his songwriting. West co-wrote "It's So Easy," which became a dark anthem for a legion of disenfranchised youth. West died a few short years later from complications stemming from acute crack and heroin use.
In 1985-86, AIDS was definitely something to think about, but not a huge threat yet in the hetrosexual psyche. The scene in Hollywood became an orgy of sex, drugs, and rock 'n' roll. Perhaps there has been no other time in recent history when the doors were so wide open to EVERYTHING. Needles were shared as well as girlfriends and boyfriends. Everyone seemed to be living in and for the moment, and it seemed as if nothing was off-limits. A real feeling of camaraderie was felt within our band and small group of friends. "Live fast and die young" was our unspoken credo. Sounds corny now.
Our living and rehearsal arrangements became one and the same as we became closer-knit. We found a 10x14 foot bathroom-less space behind the Hollywood Guitar Center that became the center of our musical universe and HQ for all things hedonistic. We raided a nearby construction site for some two-by-fours and plywood that we used to install a ramshackle sleeping loft in our tiny new home. We rehearsed twice daily in this space. For $1.29 a bottle, we could supply ourselves with enough Night Train wine to get us by. Food was always optional in those days.
We slowly began to be a draw at local clubs, and our song craftsmanship really started to get a solid base. We were soon on weekend bills as opening slots gave way to headlining. A&R staff from major labels started to pop up at gigs, and our shows were now selling out. We settled on a record deal with Geffen Records that gave us free rein as far as artistic freedom went. At the end of the day, no one was going to tell us how to make our record. Our songs were by far the most important thing to us.
To be continued.....
95 comment(s)
Nicolas says:
I say write the book (If you want my opinion, or my twenty-five dollars)
As a musician who's just trying to get a band together, it's always inspiring to read the stories from people in bands who really made it.
Posted On: Thursday, Sep. 17 2009 @ 3:15PM
John says:
Duff... Stoked to see you putting pen to paper about this time. While I suspect your "memory" may be foggy about some events.... I still think we will be able to read probably the most unbiased account of an experience of someone that actually lived it. Keep charging forward on it... I'll be stoked to buy the book. Good luck with the Loaded gig. Pees... john
Posted On: Thursday, Sep. 17 2009 @ 3:18PM
Sophia Shaikh says:
Great read again this week Duff (but what happened to the music blogs?!). This 'excerpt' from a possible book already has me hooked. It's nice to be able to read about Guns from another point of view. We already have Slash's on paper, and I suspect you and he might be the only ones even remotely inclined to publish your accounts in this way. I'm sure all of your fans would be thrilled to read whatever you and your friends can collectively remember from that time! Looking forward to reading the continuation.
Sophia
Posted On: Thursday, Sep. 17 2009 @ 3:26PM
Sophia says:
*sits with arms wrapped around legs on the floor, eyes wide*
That was really cool to read, and like everyone else has said so far you should definantly write a book! I would buy it :)
I agree with Nicolas. It's definantly inspiring for those of us who are trying to make our dream happen to read about this. For me personally it's really interesting to read about how it was back then. I mean, on top of not even have existed at that time, I live on the other side of the country and it definantly was (and still is)a different culture. I look forward to reading more in the near future!
Posted On: Thursday, Sep. 17 2009 @ 3:39PM
Davis says:
Duff, I've always been interested in your song selection in your earlier days! What original/cover material did guns play before getting any recognition?
Posted On: Thursday, Sep. 17 2009 @ 3:56PM
Milan says:
My favourite article so far, they're getting better and better!
Thanks Duff!
Posted On: Thursday, Sep. 17 2009 @ 4:48PM
Jazz says:
Maaaan, can't wait to read the next part/s.. Best article so far..!
Posted On: Thursday, Sep. 17 2009 @ 5:54PM
Jeremy King says:
As a guitar player and lover of musicology I think you should write the book. Guns seriously kick ass. I’m also a fan of VR and think maybe you could add a few chapters about what’s happening with them. Rock on Duff!!
Posted On: Thursday, Sep. 17 2009 @ 6:01PM
nayara brasil says:
Hi Duff!!!!
You will play here in brazil on the maquinary rock fest on the 7 and 8 of november
true that.answer vampnay.nay@gmail.com
Posted On: Thursday, Sep. 17 2009 @ 6:08PM
Bender says:
Davis, If you want to know what songs the GnR boys played in the early days, check out Marc Canter's book Reckless Road. He has the setlists from every GnR show up when they released Appetite.
Posted On: Thursday, Sep. 17 2009 @ 6:10PM
Bender says:
Davis, If you want to know what songs the GnR boys played in the early days, check out Marc Canter's book Reckless Road. He has the setlists from every GnR show up to when they released Appetite.
Posted On: Thursday, Sep. 17 2009 @ 6:11PM
Eric says:
Duff:
I would say write the book. I saw the biography of G.N.R and above just sounded condensed version of it. I would love to hear the REAL story, 4-500 pages or more. All the in stories and stuff, where your like, did it happen like that? Or will someone sue me over this? Change names(when you need to) and tell the story of what it was like to be in band of what ya'll became. The beginning is usually the best. :)
The real Sex, Drugs, and rock and roll story of Guns and Roses.
Thanks
Posted On: Thursday, Sep. 17 2009 @ 6:31PM
Louise says:
I'm so glad to hear your thinking of writing a book! I would love to read it. You should go for it, you're a great writer.
Posted On: Thursday, Sep. 17 2009 @ 6:38PM
Terri says:
I was just thinking yesterday or even today how cool it would be if you wrote a book (as I was reading Slash's book). I hope that you do- I love your style of writing and I've been a fan since the earliest days (and I lived on the infamous Orange too lol). Keep the bits coming, I'm sure I'm not the only one looking forward to them!
Posted On: Thursday, Sep. 17 2009 @ 6:52PM
Sapheara says:
I would love to see you put out a book! I think it's a great idea!!
Posted On: Thursday, Sep. 17 2009 @ 7:35PM
Anonymous says:
I would love to read an autobiography of you, i really enjoyed Slash's and i heard Steven Adler is putting one out also (which i intend on buying)
Good Luck!
Posted On: Thursday, Sep. 17 2009 @ 7:41PM
Donnie Howard says:
Write a book Duff. U don't have to trash anybody or anything like that. I'd just love to hear some stories.
Posted On: Thursday, Sep. 17 2009 @ 8:06PM
Juru says:
Hey,
It's been a few weeks that I've been reading your blog, and, frankly, been waiting for a tasty bit like this one! No matter where will I find myself the day you publish the whole thing (here in Mexico, back home in Poland, on a hiking trip through Burundi, hell knows), I'll find my way to the nearest bookstore (or internet joint) and will have it ordered. This is THE thing, THE story I've been always trying to find behind the riffs, solos & lyrics of G'N'R.
Keep the memories rocking and the pen rollin'!
PS: Could you add a few more words about those early contacts with the RHCP?
Posted On: Thursday, Sep. 17 2009 @ 8:23PM
Konrad says:
Well done Duff
Posted On: Thursday, Sep. 17 2009 @ 8:51PM
Kris says:
The idea of driving to New York in my beat-up 1971 Ford Maverick became moot as soon as I realized that, on a budget of $360, the East Coast was just too far away.
Details like that are what make a story--the smallest pieces that drive what turn out to be the biggest of decisions. Somehow, it's the Maverick that makes the moment here.
Okay, I usually try to refrain from this, since I am such a terrible self-editor myself, but the context of the remark I quoted above and the typo were rather funny, so check your song title.
Kudos, Duff. Thank you for sharing a bit of you with us this week. And for handing me a term I cannot believe I've missed...cowpunk (first used in 1979, apparently. Declared dead in 1987...hmmm...imagine that. Thank you OED). A great excuse for digging around in my files tomorrow--you know, for research purposes. *grin*
Peace, all!
Posted On: Thursday, Sep. 17 2009 @ 9:08PM
Jenny Eastwood says:
I think the idea of you writing a book is AWESOME! I am such a huge fan and I would love to hear your side of things since I've read Slash's autobiography and "Watch You Bleed- The Saga Of Guns N' Roses" by Stephen Davis. To hear your story, your part of it, I would go crazy for that :)
It really sounds like GNR had a rough but kick ass time to make it to your highest point. Thank you for sharing the beginnings of your story with us as I find it so inspiring as a musician myself.
If only things were as grungy, intense and interesting as they seem to have been in the 80s, it would make for one hell of a more interesting journey than now.
I only hope that I can make it as a internationally successful musician and have my story be as interesting and genuine as that of yours.
peace!
xoxo
Posted On: Thursday, Sep. 17 2009 @ 9:08PM
jennifer says:
Duff~ Just do it!!! We are all so interested in your band and how it all came together for you chaps...from the back of a guitar store to multi~million albums sold,you bet we want to know more....
Posted On: Thursday, Sep. 17 2009 @ 9:16PM
Zelasha says:
hey duff! very nice, i just finished reading slash's and i loved it, its always nice to hear the behind of scenes historys! i think the idea is awesome the genesis, the moment and the after
i also loved the loaded webisodes on youtube.. what happened to them ?
Posted On: Thursday, Sep. 17 2009 @ 9:46PM
Al says:
Duff...while I was not, nor are I now, a huge GnR fan, although, I have nothing but respect for your music, I would personally love to read a book, your book...please write it! And, if I may; don't be shy, don't cut any corners and more then anything, just be real...as I'm sure you intend on being. Looking forward to the read. Peace!
Posted On: Thursday, Sep. 17 2009 @ 9:48PM
Jono says:
the beginning of great chapter....
you are good at sentences, it's mystery that you have not written the book up to now. of course it's difficult to writing a book, but I'd like to read your history.
*sorry my poor English*
Posted On: Thursday, Sep. 17 2009 @ 10:56PM
Andrea says:
I love the story of how everything started. To me it must be what freedom tastes like. Bittersweet, but such a rush...
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 12:11AM
Tomi says:
Hey Duff,
book would be interesting read I'm sure.
Just heard a story about you witnessed by my friend: When you were playing in Helsinki in 1991 The Black Crowes were in town as well playing in a small club. Your security guard was pretty much holding you up outside the club while you where taking a leak and doing a classic "helicopter" with your weener. Slash was later on dragged out of the club by the hair by his security guard. Hmmm, wild days of living in the fast lane...
Tomi
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 12:15AM
Nicole says:
Hi Duff.
Just go on writing this story. I just read "It's (not so) easy" which was cool, but to short. I want to learn more about it.
And by the way it's good that your credo "Live fast and die young" didn't turn into reality.
Nicole
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 12:43AM
Nemo says:
Duff,
I think a book of your side of the Guns story would be a great idea. Well, not just the Guns story, everything that led up to it, and after it which lead to Loaded and Velvet Revolver. I think it would be a great read, and it's a good idea.
Nemo.
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 2:22AM
Melanie says:
All I can say is: nice read as usual! And write that book!!
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 3:15AM
Lovebug2308 says:
The moment I saw the title I screamed (a little) inside.
I think your story is a valueble part of the band's history! To be honest I much rather read the story in your book then in your blog, but I'm not complaining which format you'll choose!
As for your late teen/early twenties, living like that, I cannot even imagine what they must have been like. It's so different from mine. Which makes it so interesting ofcourse.
Keep it up :))
Diana
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 3:43AM
Erin D says:
It's always really interesting to read your stories because you're such a good story-teller.
I've read Slash's autobiography and it's great to hear things from your point of view.
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 4:12AM
peter says:
i can only say: oh my god!! that was a good article i cant wait to read the next.
PLEASE: come back GUNS N ROSES
jajajaja
THANKS
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 4:41AM
Brandon says:
Hey Duff,
I remember hearing you on a podcast of Talking Metal and you mentioned something about if you wrote a book you would want to interview the people that were around you at time since your memory was a little hazy. I thought that was a brilliant idea for a book. Is that something you are still thinking of doing as well? I like where you are going with the story above and can't wait for more!
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 6:03AM
Sheol says:
Write it. Write that goddamn book, I'll buy it as soon as it gets out.
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 6:05AM
Lynn says:
I'm with everybody else here....write that book! You have a very interesting story to tell and one based on your own perspective of things as they happened.
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 7:23AM
CT says:
Duff,
Honestly, write the book. You are a gifted writer with a great story to tell about a much beloved band and time. Do it man.
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 7:28AM
CT says:
...one last thing; It's So easy is the best song in the GN'R catalogue!
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 7:30AM
CT says:
GN'R's story must be told from your perspective Duff. Let's face it, you and Izzy were the credibility of that band. Your punk ethos along with Izzy's "Johnny Thunders attitude and look" (along with the entire bands creative talents obviously) is what seperated your band from all others in that scene. I've always maintaned that GN'R had way more in common with The Ramones, Sex Pistols, The Stooges, New York Dolls, The Stones, Bob Dylan, etc, etc.. than any of the dreck that became popluar around that scene.
You need to tell your story Duff.....OK now I'm done.
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 7:38AM
Lynn says:
Just wanted to add another comment:
My two cents worth about a potential book.....obviously the GnR history would be a big part of it. However, I've always been especially "fascinated" by your stories about some of the massive substance abuse, the desperation involved (ie scoring drugs in a drug-infested neighborhood just before a show), hitting rock bottom, and your subsequent recovery which helped you become the man you are today. In that regard, I think you have one hell of a story to tell.
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 7:41AM
Nicole says:
Always fascinating to read what happens off-stage, behind the music, espacially when it comes from my favourite bass-player. I would definitely buy the book.
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 7:43AM
Josh says:
Hi Duff,
Ideally, I'd like the book to be up to an including the Appetite tour. But mostly focusing on the scene in Hollywood at the time ('84-'87). The real down and dirty, scratching to survive, moving up the ranks, school of hard knocks, hell bent on making it stories.
Fascinating!!!!
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 7:48AM
COURT says:
Hey Duff!
It is so strange that you are thinking of writing a book because I just finished reading my 3rd G N'R book (that includes Slashs)and I was wondering if you would write one. I am soooo looking forward to reading it. I really hope you will.
I am a HUGE fan of everything you are, or have been, a part of. I can't get enough of LOADED right now. Keep it up!
Court
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 7:49AM
Katy says:
I'm going to start by agreeing with everyone else here - you should definitely keep working on, and eventually release, the book!
I know you've been told this before in the course of doing these blogs but you're an excellent writer, between that and the fact that I know how fascinating the subject matter is I can guarantee already it'd be a book well worth reading.
Having said that, and bearing in mind that it is your book and your story, not to mention you did say this is an outline, I would like to make one request; more details please.
For example, Izzy and Axl moved into your street but how did you go from that to playing in a band together? How did you even get to know they were musicians and visa versa?
You mentioned that the Troubadour and the scene surrounding it was it's own little unit that seemed impossible to break into but we know you guys made it. How (aside from being a fantastic band) did you manage it?
And when it came time to move on from there and you picked a record label why Geffen? What did they offer you, and conversely what restraints did the other labels try to put on you, that made you choose them?
As Kris said it's the details that make the story.
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 7:57AM
Mad_Mama says:
Tally: Everyone loves your writing, and, we've all loved Slash's book. Of course, go for it! I am going to pre-order it on Amazon RIGHT NOW!
Be sure you tell us lots about your whole life (so far), not just the band shit!
You're a helluva lot more faschinating than just that one aspect of your history.
I have said it before, but I'll say it again: You, Susan and the girls are invited over for dinner - and the entertainment will be YOU. Just talk - we'll pull up our chairs and just listen! Good story-tellers are always at a premium!
Melissa
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 8:27AM
Richard says:
Duff. Whatever you do, dont write this book...
I kid, I kid write it man, i'll buy it for sure.
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 8:49AM
Aron says:
Good job Duff, excellent read!
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 9:09AM
Brian says:
Duff, I know the maybe premature, but if you write this book and they happen to make a movie from it who do you think will play you?
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 12:17PM
Sonny says:
I was a quiet, introverted nerd in high school. Picked on and laughed at. I was 14 when Appetite came out and it totally changed my outlook on music and life. I was literaly awe struck when I saw this scrawny little Axl guy w his high pitched screams swaggering on stage.
"It's so easy"-best song in the catalog? its definitely up there but I would say these lines are one of the best for sure:
"i see you standin there,you think you're so cool..why dont you just..fuck off!"
doesn't rhyme or anything, but it sure sounds good and we can all relate to it.
Im a big gnr fan as anyone else, but im not so crazy abut a reunion. If it happens it happens, and if it doesn't it probably just wasn't meant to be. It makes the original just that much more special. You truly treasure something only when you lose it.
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 1:07PM
Jewel B. says:
Are you gonna reveal something new? Slash's book was interesting because he didnt do many interviews and was sort of a mystery. YOu've done so many interviews I feel like I've already heard your story.
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 1:31PM
Abby says:
You gotta write a book! THATS SOMETHING I WOULD LOVE TO READ!
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 2:14PM
Fellina says:
Hey Duff,
I loved your article! Asides from the story about your beloved dogs, I think this was your best one. I would most certainly look forward to your biography should you decide to write one. I'd love to read about your experiences throughout the rock world. Although I might have a hard time understanding you at times if you keep using words like "malcontents" lol. keep it up =)
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 4:42PM
Nevermind says:
Alright, no more music lists…
A book?
No
And not because I don’t care to read it, but because there are 2 kinds of autobiographies...
1. Written by people who have balls and tell things as they happened ( or atleast the way they remember, because memories can change over the years )
2. Written by people who bend the truth on purpose so they don’t piss people off, hurt their feelings, to keep them as friend / colleague, to avoid lawsuits or simply to make themselves look better in events where they have been a total asshole, broke the law etc
There are only a handful of number 1 biographies, and I think your biography will be a number 2…
Not trying to be mean or an asshole or whatever, it’s just my opinion.
But why not write down questions, have some idiot ‘interview’ you, or pick a fan, I know axlreznor will jizz his pants if you ask him, always good for publicity and image I guess, call it ‘Guns N’ Roses; The Ultimate Duff-saster Story’, at least then people might be able to see when you are bending the truth a bit ( body language ) …
Ok, I wrote down everything I wanted to say without making fun of that photo… I think I deserve a cookie now…
Nevermind The Bollocks
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 5:47PM
Tingleyfeeln says:
Duff,
What is it about bass players being the best historians of their respective bands? Bill Wyman, Michael Anthony, and now you.
Oh, I'm a bass player, too. I have a fender hanging on my wall that might look familiar to you except for its Candy Apple Red paint and infestation of stickers, and missing tone and volume knobs.
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 7:30PM
Hutch says:
Do you feel that most of the books on GnR are highly correct in their descriptions on the forming of GnR? Or are they full of shit?
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 8:19PM
Jens says:
Hi Duff,
As a regular reader of your column I think you should really write this book. It would be great to hear your side of the GnR story. There are some many books out there about the late 80s LA rock scene, but it would be great to hear the real story from someone who was right in the centre at the time.
All the best from Germany,
Jens
Posted On: Friday, Sep. 18 2009 @ 11:43PM
ben fong torres says:
hey duff, you gotta write your book, it would be great to read your own perspective on gnr.
Posted On: Saturday, Sep. 19 2009 @ 7:54AM
Brad Cox says:
I get it, you're very busy!
But, write the book for you - it'll end up a gift to them.
I started writing a book about my pursuits, musically. 100's of shows and 9 self-released CD's later - I wanted to do it.
Well, I learned so much about myself. It allowed me to tap into a memory-bank I thought I might have lost or partied away.
It's an incredible journey - capture it. You're sober. You're successful. You've found your way.
I would gather, if you're anything like me, it will be hard to write some of it - due to moments of overwhelming regret. And it'll be amazing to write it because of an overwhelming sense of gratitude and happiness.
You got to live in a time in rock n' roll, when musically, it was NEW again. Labels were gobbling up musicians. Selling arenas was not an issue. MySpace, YouTube, Torrents and whatever else wasn't destroying the profitability of music - to the point where big business felt it had to alienate the roots and scenes.
WRITE THE BOOK, DUFF!
Posted On: Sunday, Sep. 20 2009 @ 7:21AM
David says:
If NEVERMIND wasn't so aggressive I would have agreed with him 100%.
Wasn't there a NY gangster who wrote his autobiography unveiling mob everyday life? He never got busted for it. Couldn't Duff you actually use what Nevermind calls "bending the truth" in his favor, as for saying that one just made up an anecdote mentioning an illegal incident, when it is the actual truth, e.g. just lie to the authorities: "Yes! I wrote I sold heroin to children but I just made that up to sell my book".
I think Duff’s an old school rock & roller and ratting out or having shame, or regret about things they’ve done aren’t part of his line of thinking. I think these people had a whole lot to deal with in those days, with the press writing shit about them or the media fight with other bands. I mean, here’s the man writing about his reckless youth, a few lines and some of us are grossed out sticking our tongues out. Imaging his children reading this, it’s tough but it’s the way it is, it’s about coming clean and I believe there are no regrets, specially compared to his present, I doubt sex, drugs and RNR are his everyday, hence the children’s undenied love.
Assuming that he would lie about things would just be a total lack of personality and character, taking him down to a lower level that he shall never recover from, in his own mind, a total betrayal to “the best part of his lifeâ€. Obviously, talking that he would profit from this would spring a laugh.
I personally have spent some leisure time googling around for my favorite bands and their line – ups’ private stories. From the little information available, I still make an effort to see my rock idols as impersonations of talent and inspiration, as human beings rather than the rock gods fans make of them: unquestioned, untouchable, 100% approved; and I guess that’s the root of what entertains me about a biography, rather than what clothing brand they wear or smoke as to imitate them.
Has any old school rock & roller like Mr. Duff McKagan wrote and autobiography so far?
Posted On: Sunday, Sep. 20 2009 @ 7:52AM
LS says:
Duff:
So glad to see Washington beat USC! I wondered if you were there to see the game live.
You should write the book.You've written a lot of the material already...it's in your blog.
Your fans want to know about what was, but maybe you owe it to youself and your family to write about was is and what will be too.
Posted On: Sunday, Sep. 20 2009 @ 10:21AM
Ivy says:
i tried to post something yesterday, dont know what IS GOING ON down here. They might both come through at once.
Get writing! i want to know about your childhood and how you survived the Illusions tour when you looked so ill. I want to know about your recovery, because like my hero, keith you are a true survivor.
BUT PLEASE do not publish it until your daughters are well into their 20s. Stuff about their father should be strictly need to know and on their terms until they are mature enough to cope. Its not ok for the world to know your business until they say they are ready...if ever.
Keep publishing your blogs tho!
Posted On: Sunday, Sep. 20 2009 @ 10:56AM
Brad Cox says:
Respectfully, Dave, I think you're wrong.
I think everyone on the planet has regret(s). It's not to say they would wish to change the course of history - it's just an acknowledgment. Humility is just as much about coming clean, as delousing and airing your conquests. How many times did Slash say, 'It's not something I'm proud of...'
Acknowledging regret is why an adult doesn't run around acting like a child - I'm not sure Slash has stolen a snake from a local pet shop in a very long time - probably for multiple reasons. Ha!
So often it's seen as some form of weakness - but, really it's fuel and fodder for music and another phase of life.
'I wish I knew that then...' It could be as simple as wronging someone and never getting to appologize or something that goes against your current character.
If it weren't for this human thought process, we wouldn't be human
'No regrets,' is a bit of a bogus statement - in my opinion.
Posted On: Sunday, Sep. 20 2009 @ 12:18PM
Petra, Orlando says:
Hey Duff!
I am with 99% of the others: write the book!
And Nevermind: how come you think he will not tell the truth? Have you been reading his blogs - I mean I know you comment every week, but have you really read them?
Seems to me he has been honest about everything he wrote and they are not always politically correct or the most positive but they are honest. For instance the 2008 recap he did and being honest about addiction etc.
Anyway: I started reading this blog and was disappointed it was 'only' a blog - wish the book was finished already LOL
good luck writing it if you decide to!
Hug, Petra
Posted On: Sunday, Sep. 20 2009 @ 6:34PM
AxlReznor says:
I think what Nevermind was trying to say is not that Duff would lie. But part of his character over time seems to have been "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all". Unlike other people, when there's been tension in band - and in some cases tension that continues to this day - he has kept out of all of the shit-throwing between band members. So at the end of the day, no matter how much of an asshole someone was during a certain situation (and everyone's been an asshole at some point, so there's nobody being singled out here), he'd probably word it in a way that puts everyone in a good light.
I kind of agree with that. Yes, that's right... Nevermind and I are in a tenuous kind of agreement. But of course, I still think Duff should write his book. But I'd make the focus away from the GN'R years (between the other members, record label people, strippers, etc. EVERYONE'S heard various versions of that already, and I think Axl's the only person who can bring anything new to that, because he seems to remember things a lot differently.
Instead I'd focus on the early days in the Seattle scene with the story of bands like Ten Minute Warning, The Vains, etc. And then maybe briefly cover the GN'R years, but then after that focus on the years between 1997 and 2004 when Velvet Revolver released Contraband (because the events from then to now are also well-documented).
This will avoid the repetition that many fans - myself included - encounter when reading anything Guns N' Roses related, as well as avoiding any potentially inflammatory topics regarding situations and people from his past (and present).
It was that repetition - as well as major discrepancies between descriptions of things like the St. Louis show, and what is actually readily available to see how it really went down, designed to make certain people come across worse than they were - that prevented me from reading much of Slash's book before putting it down and moving onto other things.
Posted On: Monday, Sep. 21 2009 @ 3:27AM
Duff says:
@Axlreznor and Petra-
He is just a 'cyber-bully'. He lacks the tools pf being anything close to constructive-instead lashing out. If he spits my way? Cool...I get it as it IS my name at the top of these pages week-in and week-out. When he lashes out at you guys? It just puts a dark and mean-spirited cloud around whichever topic. I sometimes feel guilty for creating a forum where stuff like this happens.
As an aside: what anyone may THINK they know about my story or character because of what they have either read or heard....grow up. Ypu don't know me.
Have a good day
Duff
Posted On: Monday, Sep. 21 2009 @ 7:41AM
AxlReznor says:
Looks like I was just proven wrong. lol Fair enough...
Posted On: Monday, Sep. 21 2009 @ 7:51AM
Darren says:
This was great so go for the book, would be a great idea
Roll on oct 8 loaded in dublin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted On: Monday, Sep. 21 2009 @ 8:29AM
Petra, Orlando says:
Hi Duff!
Well about this: "When he lashes out at you guys? It just puts a dark and mean-spirited cloud around whichever topic. I sometimes feel guilty for creating a forum where stuff like this happens."
No need to feel guilty; we are all adults (I think !?) and no one bullies me that quick.
I for one think it is fantastic you write this column in the first place and we, your fans, actually get to interact with you! Think about it: how many other great artists do the same and/or can do it the same way? And by that I mean: you write so much about your personal life, thoughts, likes/dislikes etc. with such honesty and humor it is a pleasure to read!
And besides, most people that comment have positive, constructive criticism. Personally I feel if you want to critize, and sure we don't always agree with what you're saying, you can still show respect to one another.
Having all that said: I do hope you will write that book and if it is mainly about the GnR-years, I will still buy it since the story will be told from your perspective which will be different from all the other ones already out there; everyone experiences life a different way even if they were in the same situation.
Looking forward to Thursday's new column!
Hug, Petra
P.S. Axlreznor: thanks for your reply but I think you were proven wrong indeed! LOL ;P
Posted On: Monday, Sep. 21 2009 @ 9:04AM
Kate says:
Write the book! Write it your way and to hell with everyone out here telling you how to do it. Obviously we love your writing (or we wouldn't be out here on this blog, would we?)
Go for it!!!!!!
Posted On: Monday, Sep. 21 2009 @ 9:09AM
mad_mama says:
Duff, you made me smile. For a coupla reasons, but one of which won't mean shit to you. We discussed good local rock bands back at the Skylark - and one of mine is Temperedcast. They have a terrific song called, "45", with the lines, "You don't even know me, so don't ACT like you know me!"
Well put.
Posted On: Monday, Sep. 21 2009 @ 11:24AM
Nevermind says:
Cyber-bully?
I'm just saying what I think and I know I don’t express myself in the most subtle way.
But I'm definitely not an cyber-bully.
‘It just puts a dark and mean-spirited cloud around whichever topic. I sometimes feel guilty for creating a forum where stuff like this happens.’
The last thing I want to do is to ruin the column for anyone, so this will be the last time I post, and I will not start posting under a different name.
I will continue to read…
However I am very disappointed.
Nevermind The Bollocks
p.s. I'm sorry for all the trouble I've apparently caused
Posted On: Monday, Sep. 21 2009 @ 12:18PM
Nicole says:
@Petra. I totally agree with you. I would have done nearly everything to have this column in the good old G'N'R-times (o.k., forget nearly, I would have done everything). But it was worth waiting. Always looking forward to what's coming next thursday. And Mondays always give me a lot of inspiration for my ipod.
@Nevermind. You critized in your (first) comment, then you have to deal with the reactions. But this farewell note seems a little bit childish to me.
Posted On: Monday, Sep. 21 2009 @ 1:19PM
paul says:
well i can still remember the old days hanging out on University AVE. keep on kickin ass!
Posted On: Tuesday, Sep. 22 2009 @ 4:07PM
Nevermind says:
Ok,
About my previous post…
I'm bipolar and somehow words acted like a trigger and I went into a depressive episode.
So let's forget that one.
Now what I really wanna say is…
Duff if you talk about me I'd like you do speak directly at me, and not act like I'm not here… to me this shows lack of personality and is quite childish…
Nevermind The Bollocks
Posted On: Tuesday, Sep. 22 2009 @ 8:34PM
Duff says:
Nevermind
You are quite simply an internet thug who gets off on causing and witnessing reaction to your much too often, critical-of-others-but-taking-no-blame posts. It stopped being clever and cute months and moths ago. Don't you dare use bi-polarism as a crutch here dude, I have worked with people who have extreme bi-polar issues and I have witnessed firsthand the 'ups' and 'downs'. Should i say I am a alcoholic and suffer panic disorder and that is why I didn't address you directly? You would scream bullsh*t.I am sick of seeing people that I actually know here on this forum being berated by you.
By the way Nevermind, these are not 'real' conversations...lack of personality? I am going to risk the assumption that you probably don't get out much. You probably suffer in the personality department yourself (if i were to hazard a guess). Have some balls. Stick with what you said in your old post and stay away.
Is that direct enough for you?
Duff
Posted On: Tuesday, Sep. 22 2009 @ 11:08PM
CT says:
Is this the real Duff? No way! really?
If so, hey man!
Posted On: Wednesday, Sep. 23 2009 @ 6:38AM
Sandra Tharumalingam says:
Hi Duff,
RE: writing a book, go for it! I think many of us have been hoping you'd write one for some time now. You are by far one of the most articulate, lucid, provocative yet genuine writers I've come across, and I should think anyone who picks up your book will be well rewarded.
I've been reading your column for the last year now and always look forward to it and enjoy it. Thanks for your thoughts on such a vast array of topics and keep them coming.
Sandra
[Big p.s. I met you, Jeff, Geoff and Mike at your meet and greet after LOADED's great London Academy show 18 Sept 2008 (you all signed my baby's 8 week sonogram! She's almost six months old now and LOADED was her first gig! Another fan is born!). And I have to say you truly exceeded all my expectations, which was a very pleasant surprise. When I told you I'd had my 8 week sonogram that morning, you jumped up and gave me a great big hug and kiss on the cheek to congratulate me. That was a lovely thing to do. You're one of the people I've most admired over the years in terms of talent, hard work, great achievement and overcoming one's demons, and for you to be so spontaneously warm and kind on top of that to someone you'd never met before, well, your actions really lifted me, as much as your music and your writing. Thank you. I've been a fan of your music for twenty-two years, so it was a wonderful surprise and treat to finally meet you.
Posted On: Wednesday, Sep. 23 2009 @ 9:22AM
Nevermind says:
About being bipolar, every other post I made over the last few months I take responsibility for, the one I made not before this one, but before that one, I wrote that one in 2 minutes maybe? I spend more than 7 hours crying these words
'It just puts a dark and mean-spirited cloud around whichever topic. I sometimes feel guilty for creating a forum where stuff like this happens'
In a paranoid delusional state wondering why no one liked me…
Don't you EVER fucking judge me about that...
Have some balls???
You don't like me posting here for months and you only dare to say it now…
Dude, where the fuck are your balls...
Whatever I said I never meant it in a mean way… maybe you took it that way but that's the problem of the internet, you cant see each other
I really had respect for you…
It's your column, if you don't want me to be here i'll go.
cya
Posted On: Wednesday, Sep. 23 2009 @ 9:44AM
Patricio Hernández says:
Hey Duff,
I consider me a big fun of your Work, and I'm sure if you write a Book with your history, it's gonna be awesome, not just for the Bands, I mean your experiences, because you have taste a bit of good and bad, and you're alive to tell it. Keep going!! A chilean Friend
Patricio
Posted On: Wednesday, Sep. 23 2009 @ 1:13PM
Sophia says:
Oh my god....when will this end??
Posted On: Wednesday, Sep. 23 2009 @ 5:24PM
John says:
i would definatly buy your book Duff. i would love to hear your story.the thing that i guess pierced me at a level i wasnt then aware of , was all your guys honesty. "this is us, fuck you" i wish the appetite crew could all pick each other up,shake hands and make more magic/music. the world is a sadder place with out you. john, GnR fan from the start.
Posted On: Thursday, Sep. 24 2009 @ 9:27AM
mark says:
Include as much detail as possible! Truth can be told without sugar-coating or mud-slinging.
It's an amazing story; take us along on that ride!
Posted On: Thursday, Sep. 24 2009 @ 12:39PM
adam says:
Ok, im late on this topic. Just wanted to add that i think the book about the pre/post Guns days would be good, although it has been covered in terms of known facts - albums and gigs. What would be good would be your stories of your life during these times - what you want us the reader to know about during those times. Id like to know more about the last days of the Guns that we knew - the 94 to 97 era.
Then more detail on the 97-04 era. Like you mentioned in your post above "what anyone may THINK they know about my story or character because of what they have either read or heard....grow up. Ypu don't know me" so tell it - the sickness, the sobriety, the personal stuff you feel you want to tell. Im interested in the story pre VR as well.
Also, Steven Adler was here in Australia a few months ago and he mentioned at a drum clinic he was doing (that i was at - very cool by the way) a book and the title was Adler's Appetite For Destruction.
Looks like the next few years will be great for Guns fans to read books direct from those who were actually there.
Posted On: Saturday, Sep. 26 2009 @ 6:31AM
Vince says:
Duff...what a great and easy read.....You really make it easy for the reader to imagine waht it was like in Hollywood in the mid 80's....I'd say you definately have the groundwork for a book.
Posted On: Monday, Sep. 28 2009 @ 3:38PM
erin says:
Duff write the book man. Your writing just blows me away. I know four people who'd buy it: Me, my metalhead BFF's Carly Nelson & Will Dodeward and.... my dad. I got him to read your column last week and he's pretty impressed. Take my advice please... then maybe people would realize that a 14 yr old girls opinion does matter. Do it. What have you got to lose?
Erin
p.s. Slash, Duff, Izzy, Steven & Axl GNR 4ever.
Posted On: Monday, Sep. 28 2009 @ 5:55PM
Lucy says:
Duff
Thanks!!
it was an excelent article!!
I hope you write the book,
it would be awesome!!
see you on the Pepsi Music!! :D
i love you man!
Thanks again!!
Posted On: Monday, Oct. 5 2009 @ 3:47PM
james seago says:
hey duff!
dude you should definitely write the book! i really enjoyed reading slash's autobiography and the stories of your adventures, i related to the general feelings and passions towards music, ive had a few similar band experiences, i had a band that just clicked the first time we got together and it was an incredible feeling, ive also had a band that sunk me into a depression due to stress and having a band is the only thing that keeps me going in my personal life aside from my family and a few close friends. but yeah man a book from your perspective would be an awesome read! the stuff you wrote was incredibly easy to read and you have a very cool style of writing!
take care =)
Posted On: Monday, Oct. 5 2009 @ 10:21PM
Mizzy Diamon` says:
Duuf N Izzy were n stil r my heros.....at 35....i still live rock n roll....cuz u Guns,Velvet,Loaded,Izzy,Axl...
LAMF
Posted On: Friday, Oct. 9 2009 @ 5:24PM
Morfin says:
Hi Duff,
Great read, excellent writing. Looking forward to see a book come out of this in the future. Would love to read more detailed stories from the time before and right after the band formed.
Keep it up =)
Posted On: Saturday, Oct. 10 2009 @ 4:07AM
craig says:
Hey duff, I'm sure you have gotten tired of the same old questions regarding guns, but man you guys sure did give rock n roll a big kick is the a**. And I just want to be one of the millions to truley thank you for doing so.
Posted On: Saturday, Oct. 10 2009 @ 12:19PM
Anonymous says:
hey Duff, I love you
Posted On: Monday, Oct. 19 2009 @ 7:58AM
Carla says:
Hey Duff,
I love you!!
soooooooooooooo
Posted On: Monday, Oct. 19 2009 @ 8:02AM
Carla says:
All I can say is, it's always really interesting to read your stories. I love you man!! kisses
Posted On: Tuesday, Oct. 20 2009 @ 7:42PM
CT says:
Posted On: Thursday, Oct. 22 2009 @ 3:34PM
mark neal says:
When is the rest of the story getting posted? I've been waiting, have I missed something?
Posted On: Wednesday, Nov. 4 2009 @ 1:43PM